It looks like the big name marketers have a new toy and intend to play with it and intend to abuse it until it breaks. Yet another launch this week following in the steps of Video boss, List control, Mainstreet marketing.
Now we have Outsource Force from John Reese. Let me guess it will be $1997 course spread over 8 weeks showing you how to outsource. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz Same Old Same Old, here comes the bandwagon jump on board.
The thing that made me laugh out loud is that as well as being promoted by the usual suspects John Jonas who has his own course on outsourcing is promoting it.
Yes you read that right, a marketer with his own outsourcing course is promoting someone else’s course about outsourcing. Oh the Irony! Of course he also manages to damn the course with faint praise in his first email…
“A couple months ago I helped John Reese get started outsourcing to the Philippines.”
I am sure John Reese has been outsourcing for years but the comment above makes it look as if you’ll be paying $2000 to someone who has 2 months experience at outsourcing.
Now you don’t think a marketer would build a course around something he knows very little about would you? <==== More irony!!
So John Jonas If you read this tell us… Is John Reeses course better than yours or are you just promoting a course you haven’t seen for the $1000 commission? You have a good product so why act like a $10 Hooker.
Every Time I see this crap happening I get an Image of a nature program I saw about Vultures fighting over the carcass of an antelope trying to get the juiciest bits, the only problem is to these guys we are the carcass.
(There’s 5 more marketers that won’t promote WordPress Goldmine! 
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Now it’s you money so you can spend it as you want. If you want to spend $1997 learning to outsource then that’s fine by me but there are much cheaper options (there is even a free step by step to outsourcing in the WordPress goldmine Forum). But whatever you do make sure you learn from people who are actually doing this stuff day after day and sharing what they learn.
Despite What some marketers seem to think Internet Marketing Is not just about trying to screw ever cent out of peoples pockets. In the right environment it can be about testing and sharing and helping people.
One of our members Chris wrote the Crossroads Methodology which is a guide about marketing to main street businesses. Another Member took what he learned from that made a few minor tweaks and last month won $34,000 worth of contracts. He then shared his methods.
You can and will make money from Internet marketing but please don’t feel you have to buy every product that comes out especially If there are much better cheaper options available!
Be careful out there and sorry for the mixed metaphors! I would really welcome your Comments on this…Am I right or just over reacting?
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great post as usual!
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Whereas I do agree with you Mark, I do also find all this sanctimonious chest-beating going on in most of the comments to be so much humbug and BS.
If everyone is so critical of what these guys are about, how come that it seems as though everyone of the replies seems to know so much about what it is they are peddling? Perhaps it is because everyone actually DOES want to know whats on offer so they feel as though they are not missing out – or is there an even more hypocritial reason?
Just as with programs we may not want on TV – where we have control over the ON/OFF button on our TV remotes – so we can either opt-out of these mailing lists or just delete them. But no, that does not seem to be the case. It does seem as though people are not only staying on the mailing lists of the people they criticise so much, but are actively watching/reading the content. Hmmmmmm.
All we are seeing is the evolution of marketing using another medium, this time the internet, as compared to years/generations past. Then it was the printed word, with scammy mail shots and shiny-object type personalised direct mail pieces. The only difference with the internet is that we can actually turn off these “mailers”. but the people who criticise them so much seem not to want to do that.
I am not my brother’s keeper. Lord knows I have enough problems leading my life, without trying to be a sanctimonious policeman in the life of others, who we somehow feel need us to pat them on the head with dire warnings of this and this.
The internet provides to all of us the greatest marketplace the world has ever seen, or will ever see. Will some people take advantage of that? Of course they will. Are all of these people unscrupolous? I would doubt that very much. Do they offer something of value for what they sell? Probably, or people would not keep buying it.
I just do not see it is my place to get indignant over the fact that successful marketers are just that, no matter what it is they are peddling. People do not have to buy their wares – but they do, and they keep doing it. Which must suggest that either they are all stupid, or that actually what is on offer does have a value. I leave it to you to decide which.
To quote an old UK saying “You pays your money and you takes your choice”. And I guess that IS the point of this post of mine. It is a FREE world and people can buy what they want from whoever they want. Just as you can say what you want about the people you are having a go at, and just as I can maybe give you a different perspective.
As Winston Churchill said – I may not agree with your opinion, but I will fight to ensure that you are allowed to express it.
And so it is will free will. People will do what people want to do and no amount of chest beating by me or anyone else will stop that. And I hope that never changes.
All the best.
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The market is saturated with marketers trying to make money out of people trying to make a start selling online.
Many starting out are doing so because they have lost their jobs and the job market is tough.
The last thing they need is someone taking the last bit of cash they have when in return they get what?
There are some genuine and knowledgeable teachers / marketers out there and these are the people / organizations that ought to be promoted.
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Hi Mark – like you I am sick to death of the plethora of ‘offers’ that I am bombarded with on a daily basis. First they sell themselves as ‘the experts’ and the next thing you know, they are endorsing our endorsing somebody else. Kickbacks indeed. You hit the nail on the head. Oh to be withoutscruples!!!
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What’s more ironic is when I have a good product of my own that I sell for the same price or even higher than the product I am promoting, and give my precious product as a bonus to those who will by someone else’s product through my affiliate link. I would be sending a message that my product is worthless.
Should I expect to be able to sell my next product? Or people who know me would wait until I give it away as a bonus with the next product?
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I’ve followed John Jonas at times, and I’m sort of stunned by this. I’ve always considered him a
credible guy, but if what’s noted here is fact, I have to wonder what’s happened to him.
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well I think that everything being said and when you add up the scores at the end of the day these guys are playing by all the rules. Now most may disagree with my thought here but so be it. Here is what I’m thinking, marketing is designed to capture the prospect and make a sale. These guys did not get rich just playing by simple standards. But they do play by the rules of the marketing game. Now on the flip side I do agree 100% with Yahia these comments that they make and the back and forth video tactics are quite obvious and easy to read between the lines. But on the up side they are playing there own game and good luck to them. I think that most of the targeted traffic that I am chasing would not be playing in that game value anyway. So if they are happy in that arena then better for me. The players that piss me off are the ones that are flooding the market with there $ 9- $27.00 products and the discount price drop downs. Now think as a prospect here for a second if you will. You decline to buy some product then when you close the window it magically becomes 50% off. Well you as a business person should know what that makes people think, but what they do not realize is what is that kind of crap putting in the prospects head. just makes them more nervous of the rest of us serious marketers
Just some opinions and views I share with you.
Take care
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I also received the email you mentioned from John Jonas. I didn’t look deeply into it, but my take was different . . . perhaps naively so.
I thought Mr. Jonas was using the Reese videos as an endorsement of his own (Jonas’) program. I took it that he was saying, “See, even Reese is promoting the benefit of this stuff. Reese learned from me and obviously saw the value.”
But I also thought it was a strategy that was awkward so maybe I was just plain wrong.
GARRY
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I am new to the IM game. Like a wise man, i have been trying to find a credible source to learn the markenting game. i have done the wealthy affiliate and the IM classroom where they claim to have a step by step blah blah blah. in reality, they put out small pieces of info at a time over months to keep you as a member. Mean while, they are not really showing you a damn thing. I bring this up to say this. the only truly good business model is one that has integrity as a base. most people would pay any price for what they seek if they were getting an honest return on their money. im starting to think that the whole system is based on how many suckers can be scammed a day. are there any real marketers out there who actually want to earn honest pay for honest work. Snake oil anyone!!!!!!!
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Thanks for speaking out so openly and honest about this. We should all learn to share and without the objective of hoarding, or even exploiting those of us who maybe less knowledgeable (i.e. draining newbies or overzealous affiliates financially) who are just eager to learn and to likewise make money from their hard work. I personally believe that there is enough to go around.
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Why can’t we all just get along..and make sales?
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Mark,
I must commend you for being bold enough to speak your mind.
I am subscribed to a few of these jokers and I keep reminding myself to unsubscribe but I find their abrasiveness quite amusing. I have 4 or 5 of them constantly promoting one another’s “products”. Sadly, I didn’t go looking for these guys – I indirectly got introduced to them via IMers that I actually respect.
Keep up the good work! Honesty will prevail.
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Great post Mark !
Hope you are well . we must have that call we spoke about a few months ago !
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Thank you for this great post. Always insightful.
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I just thought I would announce my new email marketing course
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It features a meercat fighting marmots on video and clearly illustrates how to use marmots in outsourcing to cut your costs an make gazillions of bucks.
Marmots are cheap to keep ( we have them captive on Borocay Island and they are all specialists
in article marketing and SEO – the course is available on eJunkie for only $12,000 .
Puchasers should be aware that this is a product featured on April First marketing.com
Have a nice day ( I loved your outsourcing book btw)
Keith
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Thank you for this post -very refreshing and encouraging -thousands of $$ don’t have to be spent to learn how to make a blog!
always appreciate your authenticity -it’s really great in the world of vultures (as another commenter so aptly described it)!
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Yeah, but no matter what we say they will carry on making their stuff and flogging it to new people all the time.
The only scenario I can see decent people winning is if there is an uprising and a revolt.
All the best Mark.
Shaun
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I find that the serial offenders get annoying promoting virtually every darned thing that comes their way. Seems that way. Then I unsubscribe.
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