Stripped Down Profits Review- It’s A Pile Of Stinking Poop

stripped down profitsAnother day another crap product. Recently I wrote about how to spot crap products and this is a prime example. (I’ll leave a link to the post below) I’ll keep this review of Haley Milano’s Stripped Down Profits simple.

Don’t buy it you won’t make loads of money from it. If you even make your $47 back then i’ll be suprised. So thats the review out of the way! I’ve added a video review but a bit of parental guidance is necessary, I don’t usually swear but this product just got up my nose! It is said that every revolution starts with a single idea. So here is my big idea to start to put an end to these types of products, I can’t do it on my own so I need your and other Marketers help.

Everytime you get an email from someone promoting these types of products then send me the name of who is promoting it and I’ll add it to a wall of shame then you just need to unsubscribe.

If enough people do it then the marketers in question will soon realise that they won’t profit in the long run from promoting crap products. A I delusional? Will this have an effect ? Should I even bother? Let me know by leaving a comment and don’t forget to send those name to me.


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Update: I just read a great review of this steaming dog turd over at Jeremy Kelsall’s blog  http://blog.donandjeremy.com/stripped-down-profits-review-haley-got-off-the-pole/ Check it out  (but not before you leave a comment! 🙂  )

Wall Of Shame – These are the Marketers Who Thought That this was a Good Product to Promote To Their Lists:
Brandon J. Scott
Dan Brock
Craig Kaye
Bill McRea
Shawn Casey
Philip Mansour
Andrew Wallace
Paul Liburd
Antonio Guiditta

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Mark Pocock

Mark , you ruined my day! You mean one click and I can’t get rich…? Damn it!

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Sorry.. but here try these magic beans…

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Outing The Bullshit

Here is a name for you: Daniel Brock

Jerk even had the gall to send an email afterwards apologizing for promoting it and what a big mistake it was, only problem was he justifies his mistake by saying how people makes mistakes and how he should be forgiven because he sends out great free information(very rarely) and recommends good products in general.

Lol, he promotes every new clickbank scam under the sun and copies and pastes the prewritten sales emails, doesn’t even make any real effort to look like he gives a damn about his subscribers.

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Bryan Thompson

I must be getting old, I had to read the whole review before I got the meaning (pun?) of the title ”Stripped Down’ Profits.
What’s next? some fictional race car driver promoting ‘Revved Up Profits?’

The other part that spiel really tickled me was the claim of $237,900/month. That’s $7900/day Personally, I’m not interested until you can promise $10K/day.

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Lane Lester

Great idea! The crapfilliate who sent me the link told me it would be free!

I had to wade through my Spam folder to find this, but here it is: Brandon J. Scott

I suppose the “siphon” is what they try to do to your money.

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Johann

Mark,

I support this idea of yours 150%. Let us name and shame them. Received a mail today also promoting the same product from a certain Shawn Casey. Think later on you get to recognize the crap products from 7 miles away. If there is too much “bling” I know it is another crap product. A wise person also once said, “If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is”.

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David Reply:

A typical crap product recommendation from Shawn Casey…never have seen any value from that guy…seems to only promote junk, even his own junk!
David recently posted..Starting Your Day Off RightMy Profile

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Molly

Mark,

Loved your review.

I also got the email from Dan Brock and, after about ten seconds thought, unsubscribed from his list. It’s not the first time he’s sent utter rubbish like this to his list but it will be the last time he’ll do it to me! Shame really, because I did buy Deadbeat and thought it was pretty good.

Also a pity that I never got his apology either – ah well, life goes on!

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Ron

Hey Mark
Thanks for your posts and review.
This has had a lot of IMers talking on Facebook as well.
I have a list of Affiliate and guru types that I have unsubed from for sending me shit about Jani G’ fake fb ads and this stripper.

I have no qualms in exposing them.
JT Martin
Tony “T Dub” Sanders
Jani G
Adeel Chowdhry
Dylan Loh
Steve Iser
Steven Lee Jones
Devon Brown
bob@trustedupdates.com
Steven Johnson
Alen Sultanic
Mark James
Bill McRae
And a host of others but after spending 45 min on finding these I thought I’d stop. Why, the old adage that any exposure is great for the pocket. Whether it be negative or genuine. Just damn human nature.

Anyway I will make a point of filtering these A**h***es into a folder where I can get them easier.

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Wow thats quite a list…

I’d just hit the big unsubscribe button and if you get a chance to tell them why… give them both barrels

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Steve

Uh oh, you named names. The world is going to end now. Just ask the Warrior Forum.

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Allegrobusman

I was really PO with this video. All the crap and she never striped or did a pole dance.

Just a thought but I see another BS video coming where you can strip off pieces of clothing by hit the more info and get it now buttons on her clothes. Click enough and you’ll be automatically enroled and $297 charged to your PayPal account.

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Larry

Bill McRea Sent me an e- mail that he tested Stripped down profits, (You know the one with the stripper selling it) and it was all it claimed to be Ya Right Nuf Said.

Well I’m feeling pretty STUPID! right about now after marks comments about stripped down profits, but he’s right ,my opinion is this is a scam. I fell for it hook line and sinker and I’m not a new -be.. just stupid ! because I know better. I knew soon as I downloaded the program I had made a BIG MISTAKE!!

I didn’t stop at the$47.00 program NO.. Oh..NO I went for the two joke up sells one for 197.00 and one for 297.00 dollars :>( LOL . So far I’ve been refunded the one for $197.00 I’m having a lot of trouble getting my money back they keep putting a closed on my refund request I guess the stripper is pissed Oh well. I wont give up .

I bought a product from Bill McRea called Massive PASSIVE PROFITS and ever since then I’m Hammered with E-Mails to buy other products from other vendors, every day from him, it could all most be considered Spam but i do think the product I bought is OK, even though I’m Having trouble getting it to work right, I called Bills support and they only wanted $1600.00 to help me probably would take them 5 min”s to help me with the problem, That is due to bill’s inferior training videos That jump from one thing to another with out any focus by combining two product’s in the same training videos Talk about Confusing? Thank you very much I will eventually get it figured out and keep the $1600. Big One’s in my pocket Be careful buying his products because it usually requires you to buy other products from other vendors to make it work I repeat CAUTION! He’s making a lot of money selling affiliate software to make his work, big bucks in his pocket selling these products to you

I do have to make a comment about Mark I don’t think you will find a more No Hipe honest guy I’ll give you an example I bought an $7.00 product from him and some how I purchased it Twice WELL within the hour he sent me an E-Mail telling me what I had done and if it was a mistake to E-Mail him back and he would send me the$7.00 back immediately, so realizing my mistake I sent him the E-Mail and within 15 min’s the $7.00 was back in my pay pal account, Talk about credibility I’ll be Marks customer for life.
There I Feel Better Now!! :>))
Thanks For Listening
Advise: Listen To PAPA Mark
Larry Rodriguez

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Thanks for the nice comments at the end of your comment Larry,

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Dean

I’ve been harping on about this for so long. How stupid can people get…

Hahahahha and that’s cool that you’re naming names Mark. You’ve got my respect. I don’t give a damn about “wrecking reputations” either.

If they are ripping people off then they deserve to have their reputations scarred.

– Dean

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Mink K

Here are a few more for the hall of shame…

Philip Mansour

Andrew Wallace, Paul Liburd and Antonio Guiditta of the “new” Auto Click Profits, previously peddled as Auto Traffic Monopoly and Zero Cost Commissions.

A few others that I have already deleted from the usual suspects of the IM good ole boy gang.

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Paul

Thanks for that expose!

I should have known when receiving ANY emails from that scammer-Steven Lee Jones/Manchester/UK

He only ever deals in scam products, and his ‘money back guarantees’ are worthless.

In the promo vid, this ‘Hailie’, or ‘Hayley’ as she is differently named?!–sates “Don’t worry, I am going to offer this for FREE to you. I will not touch your money until after 30 days. Er-da, when clicking on the link, one is taken through to a clickbank payment page. IMMEDIATE payment. No ‘wait 30 days until cashing payment’

So, as others advise stear clear. These people should be taken out and shot! Or perhaps that is too god a fate for them!

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Gary Simpson

Well said Mark!

I just put this up at the Warrior Forum:

Well, I’ve already have one go at exposing this garbage but it seems as though a couple of people here are willing to argue the point that there are redeeming qualities in “Hayley Milano’s” hideously deceptive and downright bloody awful dog of a sales letter.

About the only truthful thing in the whole litany of lies is that some IM people like to do cocaine. I know that for a fact because I’ve seen it first hand. Obviously I’m not naming names but you would probably be surprised. Or not! Anyway that’s their business if they want to snort that stupid stuff. It’s their life they are playing with.

Back to this hideous “Stripped Down Profits” sales page…

I went to their affiliate page called /jv/vippartnerswipes.html that was mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

“Hayley” calls these “PROVEN TOP SWIPES” – DUH! In fact, DOUBLE DUH!

Here’s a choice selection of her “PROVEN” subject lines:

– Name, you’re confirmed
– Re: your download request was approved
– Your download request is under review
– …Here’s Your Download Link Name
– Re: Your Username and Password
– Re: new password for your account
– Congratulations name! You just got a sale.
– Re: Your Clickbank Commissions
– Re: Pending Clickbank Commision for Name
– You’ve got cash
– …Your $1,299.44 paycheck is ready
– …Your paycheck

EVERY one of those subject lines and many more are BLATANTLY deceptive. Gee, a lot of thought has been put into those huh (spelling error included)?

IMO there is NOTHING good about the sales page or any of the rubbish used to promote it. No wonder the sales page now says: “SOLD OUT” – more likely KICKED OUT (of Clickbank). Watch this product return with new sales copy and a new “story.” I can almost see them scrambling to change it. “Hayley Milano Joins the Nunnery.”

Recently I coined two terms for engaging in lies and deceit the likes of which we found smeared all over this site and everything attached to it.

Internet Marketing Vampire – a person who creates useless “products” that don’t work backed up by a litany of lies to deceive and rip-off inexperienced newbies (SDP qualifies in every respect).

Internet Marketing Zombie – those who blindly follow the IM Vampires by sending out waves of deceptive emails promoting this rubbish (Anyone who sent an email using any of the above subject lines is a zombie)

And just for good measure I wrote PDF reports on each of them so people can see straight through the tactics employed by the vampires and zombies.

Garbage like SDP deserves to come under attack because it preys on the vulnerable and inexperienced. Over on his blog Mark Thompson called it “the greatest pile of poo ever” and I agree. It’s shameful.

Gary Simpson

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Good post gary, off to check it out now and see who still tries to justify it.

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Gary Simpson

Thanks Mark,

I like your blog and I’m gonna give it a mention in my TEMPLE Talk newsletter.

Here’s a link to my last TT (#4) just in case you are interested.

http://www.motivationselfesteem.com/Temple_Talk_04-February_2011.pdf

Your blog gets a mention on page 14 of TT#5. I’m just putting the final touches to it now.

You tell it straight just like I do.

And thanks for the “thanks” on the Warrior Forum too.

Gary Simpson
TEMPLE

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Billie

Carolyn Murphy (Work at Home) sent me an email promoting Stripped Down Profits today. Someone named Paul (don’t have a last name) sent the same email to me today.

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Wow.. it was taken off the market 3 days ago… just goes to show some marketers really don’t know what they are doing!

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Great Review!

Thank you for the honest review!

I was astonished at ho MANY people promoted this to me… time to unsubscribe. The biggest whore isn’t the one sitting in front of the camera, but the people who are selling themselves (burning their lists) by sending this garbage out.

Ever write one of these folks to let them know you don’t appreciate the crap they are filling your box with? If they bother to respond at all, it is usually to insult you and send you on your way. There are exceptions, of course, but I no longer try and “enlighten” anyone, thinking they may not have looked at the sales page, let alone the product, before hitting the SEND button.

Glad to see this gone, but you know it will be back. They, apparently, sold a great number of these.

I am reading about the upsells in the $200-300 range, and seeing people have trouble getting their money back for any upsell not sold through clickbank. They will be back. Probably with another random girl they picked up off the street.

Please forgive my rambling. The point was: Thank you for the review, and what you wrote on warrior forum.

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david

add Phillip Mansour to the Wall of Shame. This guy promotes garbage.

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keith Jones

Next time I get an underwhelming opportunity to relieve myself of my wallet I will Demand the money in advnce (which I will repay at $4 a week !)
After al if it’s that good they must have confidence in it !
Keith

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Ben

I have to agree with the Dan Brock mention. I’ve been on his list for a while and he pushes a lot of crap. The bad part is that his own product isn’t too bad. It’s actually a really good starting point for promoting physical products and I learned quite a bit from it. But the stuff he promotes and the emails he sends out are garbage.

Hopefully he learned a lesson or two from the backlash over the stripper thing.

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Tiffany Dow

I was searching for info on this after reading it had been canceled – I wondered why. Found this wonderful blog post and I created one linking back to you from my blog. I think the naming and shaming is GREAT! I hope everyone has the balls to follow suit.

It’s no longer JUST the fault of the product owner but the fault of any affiliate who simply scrolls the damn sales page and then queues up a recommendation for it in their Aweber account! It’s like their pick pocketing their list – literally. And it’s shameful.

Tiff 🙂

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Thanks Tiffany really appreciate the comment. (wow Phil Wiley and Tiffany Dow commenting..how rock and roll is that 🙂 )

The one reason why I have probably only ever promoted 4 things created by other people is that I only promote products I can test myself. If it’s not something I personally would be happy to buy I don’t promote it. The down side of that is that very few people are prepared to promote my stuff as they want a reciprocal arrangement. If going it alone is the price of having a clear conscience it’s a no brainer.

Hopefully this launch might just have been the straw that broke the camels back and we’ll start to return to a better class of products, …I can’t help being a dreamer!

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Cathy

As a woman, I was immediately turned off by the “stripper” but I guess this product was aiming at guys. I never listened to the whole video or read the sales copy. It just screamed “scam” to me.

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Toki Tover

This is awesome how you call these people out! LOL When ever I see these new things come out I simply laugh! I was sent here from tiffany dows blog… Why would these people need to promote crap products if they are making as much as they say they are?!

Thanks
Toki
http://www.tokitover.com

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Susan

Well I bought the whole salesletter….hook, line, and sinker…the only dealbreaker was that for me, I just couldn’t get into Hayley. Now if one of you guys wants to put out Google Gigolo, I have a credit card ready. LOL But seriously, all the crud being promoted by these guys lately is making my inbox a lot easier to manage since I’m unsubscribing from all of their lists!

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hagar

I’m going to take an unpopular position, so I’m going to get a lot of ugly mail. So be it.
I certainly didn’t buy the product…. or the pitch. Having said that, they did a good job of two, well three, things.
First off, they pulled in a lot of “what everyone knows” – a secret cabal of high-rolling internet marketers, that use software light-years beyond what “thee and I” can get. (I read this like a movie script, which is the best way to read it – granted it would go straight to DVD LOL). Having shown that, they give a barely-believable scenario for how a non-technical person could have possession of this magic software (and blackmail is apropos to the scenario; take that, you naughty boy! Your sins got you in a bind!). Third, the choice of the girl was excellent – you could almost believe she IS a dancer/hooker; and she at least had fun playing the role.
The fact there are kazillions of refunds? not surprising. The point that I took away from it? refunds mean they sold it… a bunch of times.These guys got shut down, damaged their affiliate’s credibility, and are the laughingstock of the industry – and broke a million in two days, from a standing start of zero (no name recognition, no links to previous products, no fold-ins to existing products). They’re going to have to give a lot of it back… but how much over what a “standard” launch would have brought, did they make?
If the whole point is “get the money”, these guys did it… and we don’t know who they are. They’re leaving their affiliates to take the hit, and they’re off to the next launch – with enough money in their pockets to make it convincing next time.

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Don’t think you’ll get much ugly email from that 🙂 What you said is all true.

How many people do you think will promote Oli Tee’s next product? A lot less than this time I’d bet!

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Nando

This crap has gotten so out of hand that I only open the emails just so I can get to the unsubscribe button.

Like the video!

Nando

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Kris

Mark,

I just wanted to say thank you for taking a stand and for naming names.

I received this email from Andrew Hansen who puts out a “Crap & Value Report”:

Haha, I’m sorry for that subject… but it IS relevant because…

It’s “Crap & Value” time again!

If you’ve bought something in the past month (ended up being 6 weeks since our last one, but whatever) that was either:

Crap: It sucked, lied, underdelivered, ripped you off… OR

Valuable: High quality, high integrity, overdelivered, was awesome.

I want to know. And so do a lot of people.

Send your submission to:

cv@andrewhansen.name

JUST, keep it under 250 words, and be specific about why it sucked/was awesome and why others should grab it/avoid it like the plague.

The best 5 submissions get published in the next Crap & Value report coming out Thursday (2 days time).

Finally, just to get your creativity flowing, I thought I’d share some of my personal “Craps” for this month (ignore how weird that sounds and keep reading).

I didn’t buy these, but got the inside scoop on just how repulsive they both were:

1. “Get Facebook Ads Free”

You guys see that one? If not: You’re a better person because of it.

The method they taught, for how to “Get Facebook Ads Free”…?

Use Facebook ads to promote CPA offers so it “offsets” the cost of your ads – hence, they’re “free!”

In other words, not “free facebook ads” at all. And if that’s not enough, I learned that they were purposely changing “refund” tickets at the support desk to “technical support” tickets in the hope people would forget and not end up asking again for the refund.

Best part: Clickbank shut them down! Pretty cool right? 🙂 Rumour has it they might be back, but let’s hope not.

2. “Stripped Down Profits”

Another doozy. From the “Stripper” turned marketer… See that one?

They used fake pictures in the sales letter (like… This is my expensive apartment… which someone looked up and found to be from a news website in an article on Brooklyn’s most expensive apartments)

Apparently didn’t have course material of any kind available for the first 24 hours of the launch…

And much worse.

Best part: They too got SHUT DOWN by Clickbank 🙂

So the tide is slowly changing, folks. And it’s pretty exciting.

Anyway, send those submissions and on Thursday I’ll send the full “Crap & Value” report for this month containing the best 5!

Talk soon,

Andrew Hansen

Check out his past Crap & Value Report and also the new one that’s coming out tomorrow…The internet marketing niche needs more guys like Mark and Andrew who “SPEAK UP”.

As a side note, I was on a training webinar after I bought a course and someone asked the “guru” why they were getting emails about the latest clickbank release…the guru said:

“I promote their stuff so that they will in turn promote my stuff…”

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Leigh

I liked this post so much I went and bought your latest WSO. Maybe now I can get some Clickbank sales instead of the usual one or two a year with this information.

Unlike most people I subscribe to a few of those names. My reason is that I enjoy a good laugh at some of the sales pages they come up with. I just feel sorry for the people who buy it and have trouble getting a refund. People should learn or already know that there is no such thing as a 1 click business you can retire on. It usually takes at least 3 clicks in my experience. ha ha hmmm.

How do they get away with that with all the new FTC regulations and stuff. Doesn’t seem to have done much to dissuade the shady crowd.

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moserw

Hi Mark,

Thanks for doing this.

I’m subscribed to Don & Jeremy (super guys) so I knew about this. Never thought Bill McRea would stoop so low. Dan Brock is a jerk and that’s why I left his list a long time ago.

BTW – Andrew Hansen has something similar going on…

Maybe some of you guys should get together and put a website/page listing all unethical IMers the newbie should be wary of.

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Joey

I’m glad I promoted a quality product rather than this mess. I don’t understand how people keep buying into this stuff. It’s just not logical. Then again, I have lost count of the number of people who came across my blog and thought that I was actually “Hailey.” At first, I thought people were being funny, but they weren’t…sad.

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Phil Wiley

While I haven’t seen the product in question, or received any emails promoting it, I’ve got to say that people hyping crappy products for the sake of a few quick affiliate sales is killing the internet marketing business.

In the year I’ve not been working, and publishing my own newsletter, because of illness, I’ve seen things getting worse and worse.

A number of my ‘guru’ friends have told me (in confidence, so I wont give names) that sales are way, way down. People just aren’t buying. And I suspect that at least half the reason is that potential buyers are sick of being ripped off with rubbish products and over the top, downright lying sales letters.

Another very well known guru friend, one who hasn’t been named here, constantly promotes products from other people in the ‘promo circle’ he’s in, and he tells me that he has to employ 2 people full-time just to get new leads because every time he mails out he gets hundreds of unsubs.

Why isn’t he an ex friend? Well we’re certainly not as close as we were and I’ve made my thoughts on the matter clear to him on a number of occasions. But he’s not actually doing anything illegal and he insists that the products he promotes all work fine, it’s just the sales methods with all their upsells and downsells and the (on the edge of lying…things like only 200 will ever be sold) sales letters that are questionable…and he’s a married man with a family to feed and staff wages to pay.

But it’s people like my friend who are killing sales for the rest of us.

phil

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Phil, thanks for your comment. Glad you are feeling better and I hope things continue to improve.

The fact that people of your stature in the industry are aware of the problems is a good thing, hopefully with encouragement from you and other senior people in the IM community people like your friend will start o put their house in order. If people create good quality products and provide good support then people will buy them, sure you don’t do first day sales worth boasting about but you can make a comfortable living from it.

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Isobel

Mark, I’ve been a fan of yours ever since KWA days and when I saw your name come up on Tiff’s blog, I was really PROUD that I could say that 🙂

I see that Craig Kaye is on your name-and-shame list. It really IS a shame because IPK is a great product, but because I’m on his customer list I get probably 1 or 2 emails a DAY promoting another piece of crap. They all have misleading subject lines; one of them in particular sucked me in because it looked like an update to IPK but was another crap promo. It got me so mad I actually emailed him and told him that I would never EVER buy ANYTHING he promoted and that just because I had chosen to PAY him for a product did NOT give him the right to spam with every piece of shit on the market! Of course, I didn’t hear back from him. I don’t want to unsubscribe because I do want to hear about legit updates – maybe I’ll just send him to the spam folder.

Re: Clickbank refund tickets being closed. I had that problem with another product, and wrote direct to Clickbank customer support with my order reference. They dealt with it within 24 hours. Another tip is to only pay for CB subscriptions through Paypal (not directly with your credit card), so it’s easy to cancel them.

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Hi Isobel, Good to hear from you! The topic of misleading email subjects is something I have to address in another blog post. Sure they do sometimes get a few extra opens but I bet they generate far more unsubscribes. I even got caught by one last week it said… “You’ve made a Sale” then the first line said wouldn’t you like to get hundreds of emails like this! Arghhhh…

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Dave Toomey

I am surprised that people seem to be surprised at Bill McRae promoting this junk.

Bill launched an autopilot income ‘software’ a few months ago with blind copy, huge support issues and it was resoundly criticised as being pure nonsense on the WF.

Goes to show…

As for Dan Brock…he danced with the devil…made a killing with JV promotions of his Deadbeat product but made promises to promote others up coming products without knowing what they were….just plain greed got him there. He lost me and many others as a subscriber after that.

Stay away from shiny sh*t.

Dave

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Andrea @ The Affiliate Girl

Hi Mark,
I landed here from Tiffany Dow’s blog post and I’m so glad I did. Loved the video and read all the comments. I’m so happy that FINALLY somebody took the bull by the horns and make a Wall of Shame of all these crappy affiliates and their shady promotions.

I’m not what you call a “newbie” in affiliate marketing, but I’m not an expert also and it’s great to have someone plucking our sleeves when it comes to whom to trust and whom to throw to the “unsubscribed land”.

I’m now subscribed to your newsletter, hope to get great info and advice from you. Please keep it up.
Great job!

P.S.
What about a Wall of Fame with trustworthy affiliate marketers? Now that we know who NOT to be subscribed to, I’d love to find out more individuals worth reading their thoughts / blogs / emails. Maybe an idea for another blog post?

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Andrea, good idea about the wall of fame, but I would be concerned about people doing a “Humpty Dumpty” and falling off the wall…I’ve seen it happen too many times.

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Alex

How about adding “Wall of Shame” as a category in your blog Mark?

hehe!

Shane Melaugh among others now has a “Do not buy / Not Recommended ” page, on his blog.

Seems like something’s changing and the air is getting a bit sweter!

🙂

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Shane is one of the good guys , I have seen his recommended/do not buy page. I think the ideal situation would be some way of monitoring what people are promoting against what good value they are giving, a bit like a stock market, do good your value goes up do bad..you are down there with Enron!

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lucas

Hi mark,

find your idea about exposing the products and the gurus an excellent one. The list you have shared above are the marketeres that have been doing this stuff for a while now and which I think will continue to do it this way…

Thanks again for doing this….

You got my support

lucas

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Ron Brantley

Hey Mark,

I appreciate you and others exposing these spam “SCUM BAGS”. I’ve unsubscribed from several “so called” upstanding marketers lately. Lets all pull together to expose these rip-off artist who don’t give a flip about helping anyone out, but themselves.

Like they say…. what you put out, you get back, ten fold. What you sow, you shall reap. The marketer who builds his business on honesty, integrity, and compassion, will thrive in this business. All the others that don’t, will be discovered, and put out of business. When you prey on the vulnerable, the weak ,and the uneducated, just to make a quick buck, it’s just a matter of time before “YOU” fall and fail.

Staying Real,

Ron

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rjh1960

I have been fortunate enough to have been In Marks Forum at WordPress Goldmine since 2009. This forum has evolved over time and it has turned into a community of people helping each other out and most importantly we watch out for each other. When these crap launches occur the people in WordPress Goldmine will alert each other if there is someone questionable that we all need to look out for. Mark is truly one of the good guys and he and his forum have kept me out of several bad products.

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Vivian

Hello. Thankgod I have found your site- from Andrew by the way. Pity this did not exist earlier. But even then there are probabely ooo’s out there that may never see this site- pity.

I think that as general rule – anything that you purchase at a cheap rate ( because as poor or low income generators we all strive or dream how to do better for our families) and then imediatly goes into upsells ( 3 – to even seen 6 upsells) should be binned there and then and asked for a refund before you go any farther. I am sure that the genuine people can offer their product at a lower reasonable rate in one go. Having to rely on upsells on a sales letter which normally turns out to be very different in meaning – compared to when you look back at the total end products. Apparently you can work very quick miracles for a very low cost and little outlay. Then you add up all the upsells – which of course you cannot do without. I believe that in a shop or store advertising with that impression would be construed as misrepresentation of goods and potential legal action by local authorities ( here in UK).
Regards Viv. Safest thing is to cut the credti/debit card up.

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Matt Garrett

The “Proven Subject Lines” mentiones by Gary from the JV page are one’s that are proven to get people hitting the unsubscribe link, not just “Imho”, but also my readers, I did a blog post on it recently that seemed to be reasonably popular…
http://mattgarrett.com/miss-leading-email-subjects/

Personally I think one of the easiest ways to know whether you should be reading a marketyers email is whether it’s the same as all the other people promoting that product, if they can’t even be bothered to write their own email, what’s the odds on them having taken the time to check out the actual product..? 🙂
Matt

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Matt,

I read your post about email titles, I agree 100% I got one yesterday #1 on your list “Your trial subscription has been canceled” guess who it was from…. Clickbank! I couldn’t believe it.

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Notimetoulouse

This was sent to me the day after it was taken off the market, and proves the Craig Kaye name&shame was right on the money:
email reads:

This makes BIG money.

Complimentary downlaod…

Hope you aren’t too late:

http://www.infoproductkiller.com/complimentary/

Regards

The IPK Team

PS Its about to be shut down…

Move fast:

It’s complimentary???
Until today I used to get one email a day from this ‘Rugu’ offering dreck on a plate.
I live two miles from this guys ‘office’, I really ought to send a photo of it, and then all the photos of him stood next to someone elses Ferrari might make more sense.
Seedy.

I do agree with Isobel that IPK was a fair product, but I’m willing to forego any ‘free updates’ (yeah like they’ll ever happen) to be off this t*ts list.
I bet Tiff Dow will be a bit shocked to see his name up in lights here, she seemed very close to him business wise late last year.
Great Post Mark. Thanks for it.

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Makita Power Tools Review

Mark, Thanks for this post.

These scumbags seem to be proliferating on the internet recently, selling products cheaply, at anywhere from $27 to $47, the adding a whole heap of upsells/downsells to catch you out – if you have been stupid enough to buy their miracle product, why wouldn’t you be stupid enough to buy all their upsells?

It is a great idea to shame those that promote these programs. We just need to be careful that we are only shaming those that really deserve it. In my internet marketing career, I have seen many people buy products that are perfectly good, but because they didn’t make money in their first week, complain that it was the product’s fault. Unfortunately, it can sometimes be difficult to separate the genuine products from the scams and, perhaps, we sometimes decide not to buy the genuine product because we have been caught so many times by the scamsters.

Anyway, your post is appreciated and I will be an avid follower of yours from now on.

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Teresa Miller

It is so gratifying to me to see people finally speaking out against this sort of garbage. It’s the kind of thing that gives our business a bad name. Internet marketing is not bad, it’s the people who will do anything for a buck. The really sad part is that struggling novice marketers don’t know who to trust. It’s up to us to create an environment where there is someone to turn to for the truth. Thanks for being a part of the movement! : )

Teresa

P.S. I read about this also on Tiffany Dow’s blog, so I’ll be posting the same comment for her.

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Tony Clingan

Hi Mark

Came across your blog this morning whilst researching my current post, I think what you’re doing is really important because these push button and magic button products are destroying peoples faith in IM which damages us all who are trying to do things properly

It’s also interesting to see a lot of people who’s opinions I respect are also speaking out here

Thanks for sharing Tony

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Kev

Love the video Mark, got really pissed off watching it and promptly went and unsubscribed from as many marketing lists as I could find in my inbox! Screw the lot of them! 🙂

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Izrul

Finally, somebody reveals the name. I like it so much. Sadly, Warrior Forum does not allow this and this make WF drop its quality.

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Linda Pogue

Thank you so much for this information. I have just completed unsubscribing from many of these marketers and others. As more come in, I will continue this. I find this type of marketing extremely distasteful and dishonest. I am not a newbie, but I am not making a living with IM, either. It is good to know there are marketers you can trust in the IM jungle. I came here from Tiffany Dow’s blog. What I found was good, solid information I can use. I am subscribing to your newletter and look forward to learning more. Thank you!

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Niranjan Ranade

There are really very few honest IM reviewers online & you are one of them. Always find your reviews direct to the point, no fluff. Basically you promote only good products & that’s why thousands of people all over the world follow your advice. Thanks Mark for the awesome information!

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Paul F Heppes

Mark,

I bought that piece of shit product and 2 minutes after looking it over and learning that I had to wait till after the launch for the downloads I called Clickbank and they refunded my money ASAP with an email confirmation – had to wait 2 days before I saw it though back in my acct. Where is Clickbank in all of this. With all of the refunds that go on wouldn’t you think they would get wise, I guess not.

I unsubscribed to about 15-20 IMers for emailing about this product and also that FB Pages for free product as well. Paul Galloway came out and said it was scam because you still had to buy the FB ads. There has got to be a better way and for Mark here to name names is the best way to go. I will back ANYONE who has the BALLS to call out the these scumbags for what they really are.

People are coming to the internet to learn how to make money online and these so called Scum Bag Gurus see them and steal their hard earned money and 2 minutes later they are emailed about the next best thing or newest gadget or software. We have to stop these SCUMBAGS in their tracks and the best thing to do is to start is naming them just like Mark did.

Way to go Mark – keep up the naming of names of these scumbags. I got your back!

Paul F Heppes

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Mike

Mark,
Thanks so much for having the guts to out these kinds of crap marketers. I’ve only been in this business for just under one year, I’ve not made a lot of money, but I have been learning an awful lot from individuals like yourself.
I purchased a product last year called Rapid Income Creator, which is marketed by a guy named John Carter. I spent $200 in ten days trying this PPV software and didn’t make a cent. As far as my experience with this product went, it’s a piece of money-wasting crap!

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Craig Sowerby

How do Mark!,

I take my hat off to you. And I see you have Gary over here too!

I was looking for this site again after it been promoted to me to just have a discussion over at the WF about it. To say is this the way things are going. I know they say “sex sells” but come on. But when I tried to revisit it said it had all sold out and the video was taken down

These sort of sites need to be banned as they are just feeding on the emotions and desires of the newbie marketer and they will just get their fingers burnt.

I feel like create a site and actually telling people exactly what is in the product not telling them what is not. It’s like the government arguing in parliament. If they just tried to run the country properly instead of just slagging each other off and saying how crap the other party’s policies are and decision making is and getting a “here here” from the other numpties.

I think the world would be a better place. But then there will always be bent governments,coppers, and marketers I suppose it’s just trying to live with them!

Craig

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Jeff Carson

Let me guess, there’s a hosting company that you have to sign up for that they’ve set up for these “push button” sites…and they take half the profit…and they put ads on the sites for THEIR products…

Great video Mark!

Glad you called this crap out. Keep it up!

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Mari

OMG, I love your direct no nonsense approach. I love that you actually name names! I read a post not too long ago by a really well known internet marketer bitching and moaning about the bad slimy marketers but when asked to name names, he went on to say that calling people out were not his style. I think that it is a disservice to his readers, especially if you are going out of your way to write a post about it. Anyway, I am all about ethical internet marketing (seems like an oxymoron these days), so I am so happy to have found your blog and just now subscribed to it….Thanks.

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Justin | AdSense Flippers

Mark…loved your video rant…I was laughing and nodding my head while watching!

Quick question for you though:

While I’m 99.9% sure the product is absolute crap as you mentioned and the sales copy is scammy/scummy…JUST having sales copy like that doesn’t NECESSARILY mean it’s going to be a crap product, right? I know we’re talking about the rule here and not the exception…I get that…most crappy/scummy sales copy is going to lead to a crappy/scummy product…but that doesn’t HAVE to be the case, right?

I could have some ridiculous sales copy for some BMR-type network…but it doesn’t mean that the product overall sucks right?
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Hi Justin,

In this case it was crap 😉 It got kicked out of Clickbank in record time and actually led to some changes in their policies.

From my experience any salespage like that has 99% of the time got a crap product on the back end. Good products don’t generally have to hype the bejasus out of themselves, social proof and the general buzz about the product will do that. Obviously there are exceptions but I really can’t remember one off the top of my head.

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Robert @ Internet Marketing

I know that this is an old post Mark but man you make me laugh.. I feel exactly how you feel when I see these crazy products, it makes my blood boil.

I have seen some crazy WSO that make me band my head off a wall. I have decided to start making some brutally honest reviews starting today thanks inspiration
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Paul Power

Hi All,

I thought I would add my small voice to this large topic.

In a way we all have been suckered in from time to time by this “next big thing”, and been stung when it either a.) has not worked, or b.) we took a look, and realised it will never work.

The challenge as I see it is that all the while a lot of the big boys have their network of you promote for me, and I’ll promote for you when you launch, it will never change.

As marketers we must SHOW people the way by delivering quality information and products without knocking the competition.

Now I am not saying that I agree with these tactics, as I do not and will not condone
anyone out to make a fast buck off newbies, or old people’s backs, but until we pull the
boat upstream AGAINST the tide of sewage we are in, this industry will never see what it
can be like.

How can we do this when the big boys have so many launches? Well only by gathering together ourselves, and focusing on quality products, and launches at a reasonable price, but offering great value and information, it will slowly change.

I like the idea of naming and shaming, however, do you think it will bother these people? Never in a million years, as they will continue to make shed loads of money promoting garbage like this product in question.

I have been lucky, in the fact that I have missed the hype and downright hypocrisy of this program, but sadly I get so many emails promoting garbage like this, that like most of you I just file it in the trash file.

Please don’t get me wrong, I am no guru, ninja, or whatever else the buzzword is, I am just a small time marketer who is trying to make a living, and giving you my honest thoughts.

I cannot claim to have a definitive answer to this, but I do feel there is a way to change anything, if we all work together to change it.

Take Care,

Paul.

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Nigel

Great video Mark and well said. It makes me sick in the stomach knowing this shit goes on. All these chumps on your Wall of Shame I unsubscribed from a while ago. Bill McCrae I thought was a crediable source until I got a email from him about a webinar, naturally I attended. While the webinar was running I googled the product name to checkout reviews, Google showed a listing from the WF on a thread on this exact shady product. I read the thread and it had people who had bought the product. The product was a high priced peice of crap software that made html review websites and used spam blog commenting as a traffic source. After I read the thread comments I send a pm message to Bill live in the webinar and obviously got no reply. The Host would say ” We’re only ever going to sell 15 of these, f***king Liars, false misrepresentation is what it is. This host was doing the whole webinar circuit thing because I would get emails of the same webinar from another marketer the next day. My whole point is this tarnishes the whole make money online scene and why does Clickbank allow BS products like “Stripped Down Profits” which are a clear scam. I am appalled.

Thanks for keeping it real Mark.

Nigel

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